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He pronounced it ˈæbseɪl
The etymology of the word is straightforwardly German: the neuter noun Seil means ‘rope’ or ‘cable’, and its derivative abseilen means ‘to lower (something, or oneself) on a rope’, hence ‘to abseil (down)’, and also, figuratively, ‘to skedaddle’. No doubt it was borrowed into English by the early pioneers of mountain climbing in the Swiss Alps.The German pronunciation is zail, ˈapzailən
ai
So why, despite this, does our prevailing pronunciation have eɪ
eɪ
aɪ
iː
All other German loanwords with ei, as far as I can see, have English aɪ
I think the explanation must be contamination from sail, even though abseiling has nothing to do with sails. According to LDOCE, abseil is BrE only, the AmE equivalent being rappel ræˈpel, rə-
Both my pictures (found on the web) are captioned as abseiling. One has one rope, one has two.As an afternote: on the melodeon discussion forum there is currently some speculation about the origin of the model name Double Ray for certain Hohner melodeons from the 1930’s onwards. One plausible suggestion is that it is from the German doppelreihig ‘double-rowed’, since these melodeons had two rows of treble buttons at a time when most had only one. This model was commissioned by a Scottish accordion dealer from Hohner, which is a German company. If true, this would another case of German ei ai
It’s not just a question of possible typing errors or misprints such as [intʃ] instead of [ɪntʃ] inch. What we have here is gross ignorance on the part of the author about the ‘phonemic spelling’ of English words.• Leaving aside the Scots and Ulstermen who have no GOOSE-FOOT contrast, every native speaker of English pronounces foot as fʊt
fuːt
• Every NS of English pronounces pint as paɪnt
pɪnt
• Every NS pronounces gallon with -lən
-lɪən
• No NS of English pronounces ounce as oːnts
oː
• As far as I know, no NS pronounces Fahrenheit as ˈfɑːnhaɪt
ˈfærənhaɪt
• The citation form of the plural of degree ends in z
-ˈɡriːz
n
m
ˈɡʌvnmənt
In his CPD (1972) Jack transcribes this word as ɡʌvm̩ənt
the term government … can be heard every day over and over again in countless news bulletins and current affairs programmes. Both EPD15 and LPD list first the variant which contains the /-nm-/ sequence. However, anyone who listens at all attentively to recordings will soon discover that this is not merely not the predominantly heard form of the word, even in situations of the greatest prominence or highlighting, but that it is actually even a relatively unusual form of it.Now Giovanbattista Fichera writes to take me to task over the same issue, expressing surprise that I have not acted on Jack’s criticism. (In LPD the main entry (BrE) for this word continues to read ˈɡʌv ən mənt
In my opinion, it requires a great deal of effort to articulate the sequence without assimilating the n
sa'm:auro
san'mauro
mm
I replied I think my entry is correct. It unquestionably corresponds to my own slow-careful pronunciation of the word. I certainly don't have to make “a great deal of effort” to pronounce it as shown. (But then my L1 is English, not Italian or Japanese.) The alternatives that follow represent reductions which are also admittedly very common in speech - but they are just that, reductions. I am in no doubt that for me (at least) ˈɡʌvənmənt
Some of these reductions may indeed be frequently heard from speakers, in radio or TV news bulletins as elsewhere. That does not make them the mentally stored forms, which are what I think a dictionary ought primarily to record. As for GF’s comments on San Mauro, he is perfectly correct as far as Italian is concerned. Italian, like Spanish, Japanese and various other languages, does not admit sequences of nasals at different places of articulation. But English does. Even JWL’s CPD shows -nm-
ˈɪmmeɪt
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My uncle Gilbert was not only a marathoner but also a climber, and I suppose it is from him that I must have learnt the verb to abseil
down
Seil
abseilen
ei
So why, despite this, does our prevailing pronunciation have eɪ? It could easily be accounted for as a spelling pronunciation — compare eight, rein, veil, vein
eider, height, kaleidoscope
ceiling, deceive, Keith, seize
either
neither
Eiger, eigenvalue, Einstein, Freiburg, Geiger, gneiss, Holbein, Leipzig, Weimar, Zeiss, zeitgeist
abseil
sail
rappel
doppelreihig
I refer you to a horror story reported in Alex Rotatori’s blog. The above is part of a page in an English phrasebook published in Italy by a respectable publisher.It’s not just a question of possible typing errors or misprints such as [intʃ] instead of [ɪntʃ] inch
foot
put, push,
good
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I remember Gimson, probably sometime in the 70s, telling me that Jack Windsor Lewis was trying to convince him that he ought to change the EPD entry for government
government
San Mauro
I am in no doubt that for me (at least) ˈɡʌvənmənt accurately represents the succession of articulatory targets presumably stored in my mental lexicon as the phonological specification of this word. As I told GF, it also represents the way I pronounce it when articulating carefully (not overarticulating, but also not applying running-speech reductions).Some of these reductions may indeed be frequently heard from speakers, in radio or TV news bulletins as elsewhere. That does not make them the mentally stored forms, which are what I think a dictionary ought primarily to record. As for GF’s comments on San Mauro
inmate
If I congratulate my friend Thomas by saying Well done Thomas! — how would you analyse that grammatically? In this structure there don’t seem to be any other possibilities for the first slot, well
played
to
You have well done
You have done well
That was a job well done
Well done Thomas
me
Well done me!
Private Eye
well done me
The first exercise in my book English Intonation
Jacob Chu writes from Hong Kong to claim that when the female speaker says Silly old fool!
As you can see, the tracing for the fundamental frequency for the bit we are interested in (ringed in red) does seem to show two slightly falling tones. On the face of it this looks like that bugbear of intonation work, a mismatch between what the human ear perceives and what physical measurements of the speech signal tell us. Then again, Jacob Chu must either be a native speaker of Cantonese or at least very familiar with it. And Cantonese tone 4 is described as “low-mid to low, falling” (the IPA Handbook
In Daniel Jones's description (Principles of the IPA
I estimate that the Oxford Dictionary of Surnames by Patrick Hanks and Flavia Hodges (also published as part of the Oxford Names Companion) contains about 35,000 surnames with their etymologies or origins. Yet the number of surnames in Britain must be many more than that, judging by names that crop up in the news but are not to be found in the ODS. And that is without considering names of recent arrivals from other countries. If we add in other English-speaking countries, particularly the United States, the number of current surnames is very large indeed.The current crop of Members of Parliament includes one Michael Dugher. I came across his name in the newspaper and was wondering how it would be pronounced. It looks vaguely Gaelic: compare Irish dúghlas
Douglas
Dugger
Cray
Ó Craoibhe
Dan(iel)
I replied along the following lines.1. There is no universal enumerable list of discrete “sounds”, and therefore there can be no set of symbols in a one-to-one relationship with them. Rather, we are faced with a multi-dimensional continuum of possibilities. Putting it another way, there is no super multilingual phoneme system in the sky, of which the sounds of each particular language are a subset.In principle, the IPA contains all the symbols needed to represent the pronunciation of any human language so far described — that is, it is adequate to cover the contrastive sounds (phonemes) of any language. Not all finer shades can be represented except by ad hoc symbols. For example the English ʃ sound in sheep
sharp
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http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/09/cilybebyll.html | Cilybebyll |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/09/names-names.html | names, names |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/09/rastamouse.html | Rastamouse |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/09/donna-and-benny.html | Donna and Benny |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/09/tonicity-again.html | tonicity again |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/09/reverse-search.html | reverse search |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/09/ige.html | iGE |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/09/shigeru-takebayashi-22-sept-1926-10.html | Shigeru Takebayashi, 22 Sept 1926 - 10 March 2011 |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/09/warming-up.html | warming up |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/09/than.html | than |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/09/vowel-colour.html | vowel colour |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/09/icphs.html | ICPhS |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011_07_01_archive.html | July |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/07/allegedly-aged.html | allegedly aged |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/07/unicode-60.html | Unicode 6.0 |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/07/our-cake.html | our cake |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/07/hearing-plosives.html | hearing plosives |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/07/nuh-nuh-3.html | nuh-nuh (3) |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/07/gdynia-unmasked.html | Gdynia unmasked |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/07/selous.html | Selous |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/07/gay-accent.html | a gay accent? |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/07/leveson.html | Leveson |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/07/nuh-nuh-2.html | nuh-nuh (2) |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/07/nuh-nuh.html | nuh-nuh |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/07/quasi.html | quasi- |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/07/antipodeans.html | antipodeans |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/07/distributive-expletives.html | distributive expletives |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/07/rud-druss.html | a rud druss? |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/07/welsh-respellings.html | Welsh respellings |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/07/silent-final-consonants.html | silent final consonants |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/07/bombardier.html | Bombardier |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/07/womens-tennis.html | women's tennis |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/07/denasalized-nasals.html | denasalized nasals |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011/07/rodeo.html | rodeo |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011_06_01_archive.html | June |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011_05_01_archive.html | May |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011_04_01_archive.html | April |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011_03_01_archive.html | March |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2011_02_01_archive.html | February |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2010-01-01T00%3A00%3A00Z&updated-max=2011-01-01T00%3A00%3A00Z&max-results=50 | 2010 |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2010_12_01_archive.html | December |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2010_11_01_archive.html | November |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2010_10_01_archive.html | October |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2010_09_01_archive.html | September |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2010_08_01_archive.html | August |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2010_07_01_archive.html | July |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2010_06_01_archive.html | June |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2010_05_01_archive.html | May |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2010_04_01_archive.html | April |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2010_03_01_archive.html | March |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2010_02_01_archive.html | February |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2010_01_01_archive.html | January |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00Z&updated-max=2010-01-01T00%3A00%3A00Z&max-results=50 | 2009 |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2009_12_01_archive.html | December |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2009_11_01_archive.html | November |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2009_10_01_archive.html | October |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2009_09_01_archive.html | September |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2009_08_01_archive.html | August |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2009_07_01_archive.html | July |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2009_06_01_archive.html | June |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2009_05_01_archive.html | May |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2009_04_01_archive.html | April |
http://phonetic-blog.blogspot.com/2009_03_01_archive.html | March |
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